tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204430743209912348.post613569903740467964..comments2023-12-04T09:12:04.628+00:00Comments on <img src="http://www.gwct.org.uk/media/361898/gwctlogo.jpg"> GWCT News & Advisory: Mark Avery calls for grouse shooting ban…GWCThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10926927246833909130noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204430743209912348.post-2575462813932110742014-06-03T15:16:50.380+01:002014-06-03T15:16:50.380+01:00That should read 'genuinely believe removing p...That should read 'genuinely believe removing predators would not increase productivity'Alan Tilmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201030182018368937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204430743209912348.post-17193120326837566442014-06-02T19:08:39.670+01:002014-06-02T19:08:39.670+01:00Chris and Jon (and others) are very quick to accep...Chris and Jon (and others) are very quick to accept the 'science' on offer here. However the oft-repeated lines from GWCT about their studies are extremely selective in what they tell us. I doubt there is anyone who genuinely believes removing predators of ground nesting birds would increase the productivity. Does that increase in productivity result in any population increases or are the survival rates post-winter following dispersal and return any different? In addition while the choice of land management may improve the situation for some species equally it has a negative impact on others. How many species have benefited from a reduction in grouse management in the Welsh uplands, Tree Pipit, Raven, small mammal populations, Red Kite? Selectively focussing on just a small range of species to justify a particular land use is a misuse of science in exactly the way BASC Richard Ali described "poor evidence, incomplete data and partial statictics masquerade as the genuine article". Alan Tilmouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201030182018368937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204430743209912348.post-84100880666085418822014-06-02T17:03:51.336+01:002014-06-02T17:03:51.336+01:00I have been on the fringe of this story for a whil...I have been on the fringe of this story for a while now since it appeared over the last few days. I am a shooter that knows very little about grouse shooting or management so I was unsure of where I stood with the scant detail coming from the "other" side. I am aware there is a small amount of unscrupulous behaviour regarding hen harriers which plays right into the hands of the antis, but I know it is not widespread so I was looking for some science.<br /><br />This article is what I've been waiting to read, very informative and with the detail necessary to understand more the "for" argument. The argument "against" has been nowhere near as informative. It is obviously still a contentious issue, with much discussion to come, but arguments should always be backed up with science.<br /><br />Thank youJon Farmerhttp://www.overandundersporting.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204430743209912348.post-27056544863008831812014-06-02T16:54:48.926+01:002014-06-02T16:54:48.926+01:00I think this sort of information is absolutely won...I think this sort of information is absolutely wonderful. However, this is the sort of thing that needs to be in the blogs of the major newspaper sites, because they are simply not getting the message, while misinformation hits simple emotional triggers. I don't think much of the British public really understands the conservation benefits of hunting in anywhere near the way that, say, the USA does. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5204430743209912348.post-32052500610576713192014-05-29T17:18:42.356+01:002014-05-29T17:18:42.356+01:00I have never seen anything from the 'other sid...I have never seen anything from the 'other side' with anywhere near this many facts or differing arguments to back their cause. Your last question hits the nail on the head.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16064414835538858350noreply@blogger.com